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Here are a few lines extracted from am interview I ahd with friends last spring in Belgium:
A: Is there a rule for performing rituals?
Blue Eagle: Rituals are a way of communication, they are intelligent ways of creating the circumstances in which
certain energies can manifest. It is important that rituals be rid of anything that is occult, secret or esoteric. Things have to be clear, understandable, we are not just doing things because
they were done that way before, we are doing things because they have a reason to be done that way.
In all of the natural peoples’ celebrations, there is always this coming together, and the coming together for rituals has a purpose of its own. That's where people can exchange news about what is happening in the different regions, where they can exchange goods that they don’t have in their own region where the young people can meet their soul mate when seeking marriage, etc. There are very important reasons why these celebrations have to happen. Besides, all of that is related to communication with nature.
So, rituals is not something that is occult or esoteric or magic; there is magic, of course, but it is not something that has to be shrouded in mystery, it has to be very clear why you are doing it, why it works. That is one of the reasons why when I teach, I always say ‘Don’t believe a word of what I say, test it, see if it works, look before, and look after. If it works, then it is good for you, if it does not work, it is not for you’. You know, it has to be really logical, it has to be rational, we must not get too caught up in some fashion that shrouds things in mystery, where you don’t really understand what you are doing and why, like some religions have wandered so far from Source that people are doing a lot of things that they don’t understand, nor why they are doing them. Ritual is a way of communicating with each other and with nature, but it has to remain something that is natural and logical.
B: Do you think that if somebody tries something, and he doesn’t believe, that puts some impeding energy that will prevent the desired effect to
happen?
Blue Eagle: He can put impending energy if he wants.
B: But will it work anyway?
Blue Eagle: Most of the time it works, if it is done the right way. That is the main focus of ceremonies.
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Those lines are extracted from an interview with a friend in Belgium
Luke: Referring to the workshop ‘Shamanism and ecology’, where you are using shamanism to heal or to restore our connection with nature, how do you do that?
Blue Eagle: The main focus of the workshop is to look at life as a whole. Like there are seasons in the year, and in the seasons of the year, there are specific celebrations that man does
with nature, and this establishes communication with nature, and thus gives to the people the weather they need in the coming season. When you stop doing ceremonies, the weather goes haywire, and
you no longer have any influence over it, whereas normally, in our culture, you get the weather that you require, that you ask for. Two weeks ago, my daughter said “We haven’t had snow for a long
time”, so I said “Let’s make snow happen”, so we did the ceremony together, and it gave me an opportunity to show her how to communicate with beings of nature, and a few days later, the only big
snow we had in the last two months came, and this within only a few days. And these are natural things, these are things that every human being can do, but often we have lost contact. And by
doing the regular equinox, solstice ceremonies, we establish that communication. And the same thing is true in the life of the human being; we have seasons: we have birth, we have coming into
puberty, and becoming an adult, we have marriage we have becoming an elder and finally dying, or rather moving into the next world. These are seasons in the life of a human being, and there
are rituals that accompany that, so that it happens beneficially, that we can grow in harmony. For example, in western society, you have this very strange period of life that you call
“adolescence”, where the young people do all kind of crazy things, and the adults haven’t got any more control on them. Why does this happen? Because there are no rites of passage. In Native
society, they go from childhood to adulthood in a few days, and they don’t have adolescence. Because they have a way of going from one season to the other, which is the rite of passage. So we are
going to study all of these, and if there are any of them that we can do during the workshop, we are going to do that. And by studying these seasons of nature and these seasons of human life, we
get an understanding of how human beings should live. And this is of great importance for our re-harmonising with the ecology and finding our place in the universe.
Luke: Is there a way we can support adolescents or youngsters to find their place in the world?
Blue Eagle: Yes, through rites of passage. All nations have rites of passage for the young ladies and for the young men, usually done at around
thirteen, fourteen or fifteen years of age. It was different from one nation to another exactly how that would happen, but they all had it. There is no nation that didn’t have these rites of
passage. And it also implies that there is a circle of the men, and a circle of the women, that take care of these rituals. So, community needs to happen, there has to be some communal
relationship between the older members of the community, that will assist the young people when they are ready for that stage, so that they can understand what is to be a man, what is to be a
woman, what does that entail, what does it mean? They need to understand these things, especially the man, for whom it is much more extreme than for a woman, because the woman has a monthly cycle
and her monthly moon, therefore she cannot forget what it is to be a woman. So that is why Native people will say that she naturally has more power than a man. But man, to get to that level of
power, has to go through a rite of passage that is always extreme, because it has to be so strong, so powerful, as he will never forget it for the rest of his life. So it is always more extreme
than what ladies have to go through. But these things have to happen, and for them to happen there has to be a circle of older men and older ladies to assist with the process.
Luke: Blue Eagle, could every one be a shaman, or every one who has interest in being one?
Blue Eagle: Traditionally, no. It was something reserved to a very special kind of person who was ready to undergo
trials and very extreme experiences that would project him out of the body, so as to be able to do this subsequently at will. So, the main training, traditionally, for shamans, was suffering and
death. Actual death was sometimes a method of training. Like the documented experience where an Inuit shaman took his apprentice out on the ice, made a hole in the ice, and then tied his
apprentice on a pole. Still tied to the pole he plunged him under the water, tied the pole there and he left him there for three days. He came back three days later, took him out of the water,
woke him up, because that is one of the gifts a shaman has, to be able to call the soul back, and being in ice cold water, of course, his body was well preserved. And then he asked him what
journey he had experienced in the other worlds. This was witnessed by Western people, who documented it.
So, traditionally, shamanism is an experience which is conveyed through suffering and death. But there is a whole culture around shamanism, which is unity with nature, and without having to be a
shaman, shamanism as a way of life, as a method of communication with nature, and with Spirit World, is something that is open to everybody. It gives a way for everybody to understand things that
are not really conveyed in Western civilization. So, everyone can have an understanding of shamanism, and can have experiences and techniques that help them to communicate with nature and make
their life better.
But a true shaman is a very rare thing; I have seen a lot of people call themselves shamans, but actual shamans, I have met about three times in my lifetime amongst the old Indian people. But
true shamans are quite exceptional people, they are all different. All of them have different gifts, very unique gifts, that come from their personal experience of going to Spirit World and
talking to the Spirits there directly.
Luke: And, making a distinction, for us, ordinary people, how would be a way to find out about our talents, about our way of making contact with nature?
Blue Eagle: Well, the shaman has the ability to help people go into Spirit World, and bring them back in a secure
manner. For example, I did this last week-end with people to meet their crystal totem. In this way, they can go and meet with their totems, the totem animals that are with them. It is said that
as long as people are not conscious of their totem animal, they have no conscious contact with them, they cannot call upon their energy. Once they know who their totem animal is, then they can
use its energy in their everyday life. People can also learn how to communicate with their spirit guardians. We all have different guardians from every kingdom, from the vegetal kingdom, from the
mineral kingdom, from the animal kingdom, and from the human kingdom. We have what we call actually our ancestors, and they are always with us, but when we don't know them, when we have no way of
communicating with them, then the possibility for them to influence our daily life is very low, they don't have a lot of lea way. But if we know of them, and this is something we can discover
together very easily, because we can accompany the person through and into the Spirit World, and back, in a secure manner, and they can learn how to talk with them, learn who their totem animals
are, and who the Spirit Guardians are, and in this way, this can add a lot of power to their lives. Knowing the totems helps to better understand themselves, and they will have more impact on the
world around them, because they will be working with forces which actually influence the world in which we live.

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